Re: [dinosaur] "Yunyangosaurus" is not available

[Jaime Headden <jaimeheadden@gmail.com>]

1. The most efficient solution is to just modify ICZN rules (which, I
understand, is actually rather difficult) to allow online publications
without paper (or other physical medium) repository to freely allow
nomenclature proposed therein to compete for validity and priority.

2. Alternatively, the publication "Scientific Reports" can do the work
for the authors within and create ICZN conforming post-publication
resources and submissions to Zoobank for every taxon so proposed, and
then *require adherence to the ICZN's rules regarding use of Zoobank
IDs* in order to be validly published, and then create a paper (or
other physical medium) repository for *each* taxon so affected.

3. Lastly, each of the others must separately do tasks set out in [2.]
Should these not be complied with, it is necessary for authors whose
work with the relevant taxa to omit them from their work *until such
time as they become compliant*.

Now, all of this requires the ICZN to be followed. It is possible it
is not necessary for the ICZN to be followed. The ICZN is, in many
ways, lingering in the 19th century, and it serves us well to look
towards the future. With looming publication of "PhyloCode" and its
rules, we can instead shift towards PhyloCode compliance rather than
ICZN, which is more permissive of digital media as publications. That
said, the authors of each of these publications should still make an
effort to comply with the rules that the majority of taxonomists
working on animal organisms have been in compliance with for nearly a
century.

The laziness on the part of "Scientific Reports" and some of its
editors and reviewers for not holding the authors to the necessary
work needed for each of these taxa itself must also be considered.
Sadly, the *ease* of publication fights this concern, as it becomes a
more permissive pipeline of lazier and lazier taxonomy rather than
rigorous and thorough work.

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 12:23 AM Mickey Mortimer
<mickey_mortimer111@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Well, that's a rather large issue, and considering how many papers Scientific 
> Reports publishes, the number of animal taxa affected by this is probably in 
> the hundreds.  And if we start ignoring that rule, the publication dates of 
> many other taxa are affected.  Just among the abelisaurs I was adding before 
> this, "Thanos" and "Tralkasaurus" are set to be 2020 names but would move to 
> 2018 and 2019 respectively.  So what does the community do?
>
> Mickey Mortimer
>
> ________________________________
> From: dinosaur-l-request@usc.edu <dinosaur-l-request@usc.edu> on behalf of 
> Iain Reid <iainstein27@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 8:49 PM
> To: dinosaur-l@usc.edu <dinosaur-l@usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [dinosaur] "Yunyangosaurus" is not available
>
> >> Hi all.  While writing the "Yunyangosaurus" entry for The Theropod 
> >> Database, I noticed Dai et al.'s (2020) paper describing it has no mention 
> >> of ZooBank.  ICZN Article 8.5.3. states names published electronically 
> >> must "be registered in the Official Register of Zoological Nomenclature 
> >> (ZooBank) (see Article 78.2.4) and contain evidence in the work itself 
> >> that such registration has occurred."  So this obviously fails, and the 
> >> name doesn't show up in ZooBank either.  Normally that solves itself 
> >> eventually by the physical publication of the journal volume, but 
> >> "Yunyangosaurus" was described in Scientific Reports.  As far as I can 
> >> tell, Scientific Reports has no actual volumes,  just a huge list of 
> >> articles every year, which would suggest it is not physically published.  
> >> Is this so?  And if so, doesn't that indicate that Dai et al. 2020 will 
> >> never be valid under the ICZN and that something else needs to be done by 
> >> the authors to fix this?
>
> > According to its website, Scientific Reports has an online ISSN, but a 
> > paper ISSN is nowhere mentioned. This means that, as expected, it is 
> > published exclusively online, and that the name "Yunyangosaurus" is not 
> > available from the publication by Dai et al. (2020) or any other that yet 
> > exists.
>
> > "Not available" means the ICZN doesn't recognize it as even existing. It 
> > does not compete for synonymy or homonymy.
>
> > So, the ethical thing to do is to alert the authors that they need to 
> > publish a whole new paper. In that paper, they can say "Diagnosis: see Dai 
> > et al. (2020)", so the paper can be quite short, but it needs to be a whole 
> > new publication.
>
> All invalid according to this, only the dinosaurs:
>
> Lingyuanosaurus
> Shishugounykus
> Fukuivenator
> Savannasaurus
> Tongtianlong
> Corythoraptor
> Daspletosaurus horneri
> Isaberrysaura
> Mierasaurus
> Xingxiulong
> Anomalipes
> Jinyunpelta
> Yizhousaurus
> Bajadasaurus
> Xingtianosaurus
> Yunyangosaurus
> Huanansaurus
> Mosaiceratops
> Pulanesaura
> Zhenyuanlong
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 11:31 AM David Marjanovic <david.marjanovic@gmx.at> 
> wrote:
>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Januar 2020 um 17:24 Uhr
> Von: "Mickey Mortimer" <mickey_mortimer111@msn.com>
> Betreff: [dinosaur] Validity of "Yunyangosaurus" / is Scientific Reports 
> published physically?
>
> > Hi all.  While writing the "Yunyangosaurus" entry for The Theropod 
> > Database, I noticed Dai et al.'s (2020) paper describing it has no mention 
> > of ZooBank.  ICZN Article 8.5.3. states names published electronically must 
> > "be registered in the Official Register of Zoological Nomenclature 
> > (ZooBank) (see Article 78.2.4) and contain evidence in the work itself that 
> > such registration has occurred."  So this obviously fails, and the name 
> > doesn't show up in ZooBank either.  Normally that solves itself eventually 
> > by the physical publication of the journal volume, but "Yunyangosaurus" was 
> > described in Scientific Reports.  As far as I can tell, Scientific Reports 
> > has no actual volumes,  just a huge list of articles every year, which 
> > would suggest it is not physically published.  Is this so?  And if so, 
> > doesn't that indicate that Dai et al. 2020 will never be valid under the 
> > ICZN and that something else needs to be done by the authors to fix this?
>
> According to its website, Scientific Reports has an online ISSN, but a paper 
> ISSN is nowhere mentioned. This means that, as expected, it is published 
> exclusively online, and that the name "Yunyangosaurus" is not available from 
> the publication by Dai et al. (2020) or any other that yet exists.
>
> "Not available" means the ICZN doesn't recognize it as even existing. It does 
> not compete for synonymy or homonymy.
>
> So, the ethical thing to do is to alert the authors that they need to publish 
> a whole new paper. In that paper, they can say "Diagnosis: see Dai et al. 
> (2020)", so the paper can be quite short, but it needs to be a whole new 
> publication.



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