Re: How are columbiformes (doves and pigeons) related to psittaciformes?

["Mickey Mortimer" <Mickey_Mortimer111@msn.com>]

Dora Smith wrote-

+AD4- Could you please give me the full bibliographical references for
+AD4-
+AD4- Mayr and Clarke (2003), Mayr (2002), Mayr et al (2003), and Livezey and
Zusi
+AD4- (2001).

Livezey, B.C., Zusi, R.L., 2001. Higher-order phylogenetics of modern Aves
based on comparative anatomy. Netherl. J. Zool. 51, 179-205.

Mayr, G., 2002. On the osteology and phylogenetic affinities of the
Pseudasturidae-Lower Eocene stem-group representatives of parrots (Aves,
Psittaciformes). Zool. J. Linn. Soc. 136, 715-729.

Mayr, G., Manegold, A., Johansson, U., 2003. Monophyletic groups within
''higher land birds''-comparison of morphological and molecular data. J.
Zool. Syst. Evol. Res. 41, 233-248.

Mayr and Clarke, 2003. The deep divergences of neornithine birds: a
phylogenetic analysis of morphological characters. Cladistics. 19, 527-553.

I have pdf's of them all, Livezey and Zusi's is available here-
http://www.uia.ac.be/u/khuyghe/Livezey2001.pdf

+AD4- I was seriously wondering whether anything more than an odd shaped beak
+AD4- supports Feduccia's assertion that parrots are actually descended from
+AD4- pigeons+ADs- the tooth billed pigeon to be precise.    He doesn't explain 
the
+AD4- notion in either of his two books on bird evolution.    If anything about
+AD4- wing anatomy or something was there, I didn't see it.

If it's like most of Feduccia's assertions, I wouldn't get my hopes up. +ADs--)

Mickey Mortimer