Re: How are columbiformes (doves and pigeons) related to psittaciformes?

["Brian Lauret" <zthemanvirus@hotmail.com>]

> From: "Mickey Mortimer" <Mickey_Mortimer111@msn.com>
> Reply-To: Mickey_Mortimer111@msn.com
> To: <dinosaur@usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: How are columbiformes (doves and pigeons) related to 
> psittaciformes?
> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:44:21 -0700

> +AD4- I was seriously wondering whether anything more than an odd shaped 
> beak
> +AD4- supports Feduccia's assertion that parrots are actually descended 
> from
> +AD4- pigeons+ADs- the tooth billed pigeon to be precise.    He doesn't 
> explain the
> +AD4- notion in either of his two books on bird evolution.    If anything 
> about
> +AD4- wing anatomy or something was there, I didn't see it.
>
> If it's like most of Feduccia's assertions, I wouldn't get my hopes up. 
> +ADs--)
>
> Mickey Mortimer

I allways thought Feduccia did the whole psittaciformes off rather fast and 
mentioned them only fleetingly..as if he has a dislike of psittaciforms :D 
What surprises me is that he didn't seem to know the first thing about 
research claiming parrots were not closely related to pigeons at all,wich 
wasn't a new thought at the time of 'The origin and evolution of birds'.
When you think about it such a relationship would in fact seem very unlikely 
for the start. Seeing that columbiformes consisted of Pteroclididae and 
Columbidae,with the first representing the more primitive group it would be 
very strange to relate such an order to another order on the basis of 
similiarity of it's more derived family to this other order.Doesn't this 
scream 'convergence'?

Brian

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