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How about taxa that were described "in legitimate journals (with an ISSN), with the best of intentions" but without a ZooBank reference, but which will eventually be published on paper, like Thanos? Are we going to recognize their online publication date (2018
in this case), or are we going to treat their publication date as their paper publication date (2020 probably in this case)? It could have important ramifications for synonymy and such...
Mickey
From: dinosaur-l-request@usc.edu <dinosaur-l-request@usc.edu> on behalf of Thomas Richard Holtz <tholtz@umd.edu>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 4:32 AM
To: Mike Taylor <sauropoda@gmail.com>
Cc: Tim Williams <tijawi@gmail.com>; DML <dinosaur-l@usc.edu>
Subject: Re: [dinosaur] "Yunyangosaurus" is not available
Yes, agreed.
I agree entirely. Zoological nomenclature is supposed to serve the
community, not vice versa.
-- Mike.
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 06:13, Tim Williams <tijawi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I know there is going to be a lot of people who disagree with me on
> this, but... I'm not certain it's useful to declare a whole swathe of
> dinosaur genera as nomina nuda, simply because they fall afoul of some
> technicality in the ICZN Code (Article 8.5.3). Instead, a pragmatic
> 'community standard' can be applied here. If workers in the field
> continue to treat these names as valid, then for all intents and
> purposes they are valid. All were published in legitimate journals
> (with an ISSN), with the best of intentions - there is no hint of
> malfeasance. So until this nomenclatural issue is rectified or
> resolved, I think the best course of action is to continue to treat
> these digitally published names as available. There's no need to
> throw the baby out with the bathwater.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 4:35 PM Tyler Greenfield
> <tgreenfield999@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jim Kirkland has pointed out on Twitter that Geology of the Intermountain West seems to be in the same situation. This would mean that Maraapunisaurus and Dryosaurus elderae are nomina nuda as well.
> >
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_Paleojim_status_1220573427188191232&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=7ttzoy3StzASf7ytO6xXwHAU_FW9kDGUZvaUjD-_l9Y&s=5XxcN1ImSTYA6zC2Bk97tDuE69ZKAp5FRzX7_zmGwMI&e=
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 1:31 PM David Marjanovic <david.marjanovic@gmx.at> wrote:
> >>
> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Januar 2020 um 17:24 Uhr
> >> Von: "Mickey Mortimer" <mickey_mortimer111@msn.com>
> >> Betreff: [dinosaur] Validity of "Yunyangosaurus" / is Scientific Reports published physically?
> >>
> >> > Hi all. While writing the "Yunyangosaurus" entry for The Theropod Database, I noticed Dai et al.'s (2020) paper describing it has no mention of ZooBank. ICZN Article 8.5.3. states names published electronically must "be registered in the Official Register
of Zoological Nomenclature (ZooBank) (see Article 78.2.4) and contain evidence in the work itself that such registration has occurred." So this obviously fails, and the name doesn't show up in ZooBank either. Normally that solves itself eventually by the
physical publication of the journal volume, but "Yunyangosaurus" was described in Scientific Reports. As far as I can tell, Scientific Reports has no actual volumes, just a huge list of articles every year, which would suggest it is not physically published.
Is this so? And if so, doesn't that indicate that Dai et al. 2020 will never be valid under the ICZN and that something else needs to be done by the authors to fix this?
> >>
> >> According to its website, Scientific Reports has an online ISSN, but a paper ISSN is nowhere mentioned. This means that, as expected, it is published exclusively online, and that the name "Yunyangosaurus" is not available from the publication by Dai et
al. (2020) or any other that yet exists.
> >>
> >> "Not available" means the ICZN doesn't recognize it as even existing. It does not compete for synonymy or homonymy.
> >>
> >> So, the ethical thing to do is to alert the authors that they need to publish a whole new paper. In that paper, they can say "Diagnosis: see Dai et al. (2020)", so the paper can be quite short, but it needs to be a whole new publication.
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