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Re: birds DID NOT evolve from therapods

I have been reading the archives recently and I have been struck by the venomousness of the attacks on anyone who DARES contradict the fanciful notion that birds evolved from therapod dinosaurs. I was so disgusted I opened a hotmail account and subscribed to this list, just
to air my views.

Such self-appointed ?experts? as Thomas Holtz, Jaime Haedden, Mickey
Mortimer, Tim Williams, and George Olshevky seem barely able to disguise theiur contempt for such a esteemed, world-respected scientist as John Ruben.

Interesting that you would call professionals with *degrees* and students working towards degrees (NOTE: degrees), "self-appointed experts".

"Self-Appointed Experts" are people like Barney Fife who to quote Andy Griffith, "seem like an expert on everything".

Hey, we don't contempt Ruben, we just don't agree with him. Besides, it's a public forum.

BTW, you misspelled "their" as "theiur".

Laugh all you want buddy. Ruben and his colleagues now far more about vertebrate metabolism than you ever will. Birds are WARM-
BLOODED. Therapod dinosaurs were COLD-BLOODED. Didn?t you read his two papers in Science...???

Could you please explain why you disagree? Maybe with really good proof as to why Bakker and Ostrom were wrong? Or perhaps a reason as to why dinosaurs could live in a snowy paleoecological locales if they were cold-blooded?

BTW, you misspelled "theropod" as "therapod".

No I suppose not - too busy spitting venom at Ruben and co.

Longisquama is about as close as we?re going to get to the origin of birds. Get used to that fact. Ruben is ON THE BALL!!> And Al Feduccia
too. Try reading his book - you'll actually learn something guys!

If you are referring to Feduccia's "Origin and Evolution...Birds", then I will admit one thing: it was written well but did not present the most convincing case. If Longisquama is as close as we get, then we might be able to throw in the towel for ever finding any bird-link. Longisquama, itself, is not particularly bird-like, in fact, crocs are more birdy than it.

Not content with putting feathers on therapods now you want to put wings on them as well. Yeah, that?s right Tom ? velociraptor could fly. Just like Superman. Dream on!

No, Tom Holtz was just saying that the forelimbs were bird-like. Read carefully. Besides, birds use their wing for so many different things. Balance in runners, climbing for Hoatzins, Display in many species, swimming in penguins, flight is a biggie. :-)

Aboreal therapods? - dream on!

How about this for a "GO"? "GO" read Raptor Red. "GO" watch the discovery channel for reruns of Bakker's talk on claw morphology in dromaeosaurs. "GO" read the paper on *Microraptor*. There you "GO".

But hey guess what fellas ? Longisquama COULD GLIDE. And Megalancosaurus too. These are the kind of critters which gave rise to
birds - not your land-living therapods. T-rex in trees? - not on this universe.

So it could glide! Whoopty-doo! Gliders tends to become better gliders, not powered fliers. Did anyone ever say that *T. rex* lived in the trees.

You therapod people are living in a fantasy world. Get back to earth and join the rest of us!!!

Actually, we live here in reality. Maybe you should come down and join the rest of us. The BAND supporters are not many, just a few with LOUD VOICES. Why the media gives them so much coverage, I'll never know.

Look, your approach was not tactful. Nor was it convincing. It only belittled our already low opinion of you.

Well, Have a NIce Day!

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