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Re: [dinosaur] What is the earliest known bird



Asteriornis is also a very solid neognath...Vegavis has been found outside that group in at least one analysis. There are other equivocal Cretaceous fossil birds, too.


Thomas Yazbeck


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Subject: Re: [dinosaur] What is the earliest known bird
 
Do not forget Asteriornis, a crown-bird from the Maastrichtian of Belgium (depending on the dating of Vegavis it may be younger than the Antarctic bird, or at the same age.)

If you mean "Avialae", then Archaeopteryx loses out to the Oxfordian-aged Tiaojishan Formation forms like Anchiornis (which most recent phylogenies agree is also more closer to modern birds than to dromaeosaurids).

The vernacular "bird" is so arbitrary, though: do you mean Aves? Ornithurae? Euornithes? Ornithothoraces? Pygostylia? Avialae? Eumaniraptora? Pennaraptora?

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:42 AM Yazbeck, Thomas <yazbeckt@msu.edu> wrote:
Aves, in the strictest sense? Probably Vegavis, from Antarctica. Crown-group birds (ratites+neognaths=Neornithes) are the most 'certain' clade to call Aves, and I doubt that they existed more than 75-80 million years ago. There are multiple different definitions of Aves, and the further back you go, the fuzzier things get. Others will probably be able to answer this question better than me, but for simplicity, I think of just Neornithes, or perhaps Ornithuromorpha or Pygostylia, as the 'bird clade'. There is simply too much uncertainty about A. lithographica, Anchiornis and other Jurassic taxa and where they belong phylogenetically. What is certain is that this will continue to inspire research for years to come.

Thomas Yazbeck


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Subject: [dinosaur] What is the earliest known bird
 
Good day!

Using currently most widely accepted phylogeny, what is the earliest known "bird"? Is it Archaeopteryx lithographica or rather some of the Chinese taxa? Thank you in advance! Tom


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