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Re: [dinosaur] Why birds are living dinosaurs



I suspect because most people realize that there are lots of kinds of mammals, from mice to whales, but many seem to think that there are only a few kinds of dinosaurs, all of which are enormous.  I am a regular contributor to the Quora question site, and I am amazed at the sheer ignorance of many of its users (not to mention the creationists), who either think that all prehistoric animals are dinosaurs or that there is only one species of dinosaur and it somehow survived unchanged throughout the whole of the Mesozoic.

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On Monday, April 12, 2021, 11:54:28 a.m. EDT, Mike Taylor <sauropoda@gmail.com> wrote:


The really strange part about this is that *no-one* finds it difficult that bats are mammals. So why should it be so much more difficult to accept that birds are dinosaurs?

-- Mike.


On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 13:17, Thomas Richard Holtz <tholtz@umd.edu> wrote:
Because in modern biological classification you don't stop being a member of a group just because you start to be something new as well. In modern classification all groups are clades (monophyletic groups: an ancestor and all of its descendants, no matter how transformed).

Aves didn't stop being part of Dinosauria when they became birds as well. Chiroptera didn't stop being part of Mammalia when they became bats as well. Tetrapoda didn't stop being part of Osteichthyes when they became tetrapods as well.

And people say ignorant things because they are literally ignorant: they don't know that classification has changed, and so operate under an old typological-based thinking rather than genealogical-based thinking.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 2:44 AM Poekilopleuron <dinosaurtom2015@seznam.cz> wrote:
Good day!

If you were to answer this question, how would you put it? Because birds evolved directly from the dinosaurian ancestors? Because they still carry the dinosaur genetic heritage? Because they are in fact a specialised group of living maniraptoran theropods? I've heard some people say ignorant things like "birds can not be dinosaurs, because they are so different, mostly very small and there is no way that such an agile warmblooded insulated animal could be a descendant of something like T. rex".

Thank you for your thoughts! Tom


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