Re: [dinosaur] RETRACTION: Oculudentavis, new smallest known Mesozoic bird in amber from Cretaceous of Myanmar

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Subject: Re: [dinosaur] RETRACTION: Oculudentavis, new smallest known Mesozoic bird in amber from Cretaceous of Myanmar

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Thread-topic: [dinosaur] RETRACTION: Oculudentavis, new smallest known Mesozoic bird in amber from Cretaceous of Myanmar

I'm curious about why the authors of Oculudentavis (just typing it feels awful...) didn't realize how bad a name it was. Couldn't somebody have spent an hour making sure it was at least linguistically correct? I'm not a professional paleontologist/zoologist - how long does it typically take to come up with a name for a new taxon?

Thomas Yazbeck

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Subject: Re: [dinosaur] RETRACTION: Oculudentavis, new smallest known Mesozoic bird in amber from Cretaceous of Myanmar

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 05:15:17 PM UTC, Gregory Paul <gsp1954@aol.com> wrote:

> Me thinks this paper should be reinstated with a major correction to the errant parts.

Hmm, I found some small errors in one of my 2018 papers. Can I retract it now and then have a different version of it re-appear with the errors corrected..? Ach, but how to expunge the hardcopies from the printed version of the journal in university libraries all over the world..?

Yes I am being facetious (but I didn't get the impression that GSP was).

Again, a paper that's published cannot be 'disappeared.' It exists from now on, in perpetuity. That's the whole point of the new electronic publishing rules too.

It is a good point that it's a binomial name, and there's nothing wrong with the specific name. It's just that generic name which is going to win awards for being one of the worst of all time.

Paul P.