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Re: [dinosaur] Diadectomorphs and seymouriamorphs as amniotes from inner ear morphology



>> I was surprised, BTW, to see "non-crown amniotes" in the abstract - is there any possible distinction from "stem amniotes" (which they also use)?

>No.

Disagree. The standard usage of "stem-" in invertebrate paleo refers to members outside the crown group but closer to it than to the next closest crown group (so stem-arthropod, stem-mollusk, etc.). But "non-crown amniotes" is (as noted) a nonsensical term.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 3:19 PM David Marjanovic <david.marjanovic@gmx.at> wrote:
> Absent better agreement on lissamphibian origins, would the amniote total group be a terribly useful thing to have a name for?

Perhaps not. Specifically, if the lissamphibians belong with whatever remains of the "lepospondyls", then the seymouriamorphs are not even crown-group tetrapods unless the new paper (which I haven't read yet) finds something else.

> I was surprised, BTW, to see "non-crown amniotes" in the abstract - is there any possible distinction from "stem amniotes" (which they also use)?

No.


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