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Re: [dinosaur] Supersaurus' fate + Alaska dinosaurs + Tarsomordeo + Albertosaurus interactive + more




Ben Creisler
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Some additional comments on the name Tarsomordeo...

First off, zoological names are considered scientific Neo-Latin, which developed starting during the Renaissance in the 16th century and has a long history in scientific nomenclature (for biology, medicine, anatomy, technology, etc.) beyond the meanings and the grammar rules of old classical Greek and Latin. Neo-Latin is essentially what usage makes it, with names that routinely combine words and elements from Greek and Latin, as well as other languages, in arbitrary or sometimes unorthodox ways, and with new and invented meanings.

"Etymology--'Tarso' and 'mordeo,' derived from the Latin terms for 'ankle biter' in reference to the small size of the type specimen."Â

I am going to guess that the name was put together cut-and-paste as Nick suggested (from mordeo the verb) and that the author probably didn't know about Latin nouns and names with the "o" ending used to create a mocking or an insulting term.

According to the "classical" academic rules, a name literally meaning "ankle biter" could be 'Talimordex' in Latin (as Nick noted, from talus "ankle" and mordex "biting, biter") or 'Tarsodectes' in Greek (from tarsos "ankle" and dektes "biter"). However, the term "ankle biter" in English is used as a humorous or mocking term for small children or small dogs. Similarly, the name Tarsomordeo was meant to mock the small size of the animal at the feet of dinosaurs.

Classical and later Latin did not have "mordeo" as a masculine noun to meaning something like "an annoying or constant biter" from the verb mordeo "I bite," but it did have a noun manduco "a glutton" from the verb manduco "I chew," as well as bibo "a drunkard" from the verb bibo "I drink" and congero "a thief" from the verb congero "I collect," etc., to create a mocking, humorous, derogatory, or insulting noun term for a person's negative behavior (or for an unflattering physical feature) with the masculine ending -o (-onis).

The name Tarsomordeo may be an example of a name that came out OK in terms of spelling under the ICZN rules (Latin -o can be a nominative singular ending, required for generic names) and in terms of possible meaning (with an "o" ending to mock the animal's small size), even if the name was not deliberately composed that way.ÂÂ

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On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 12:35 AM Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben Creisler
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Of course, the "o" ending in Latin could also be used to create an "insult" name as a noun, often based on nouns: naso "big nose" from nasus "nose"; gulo "glutton" from gulla "gullet, throat"; capito "big head" from caput (capitis) "head"; plus many others.
Note the generic names Naso, Gulo, Capitosaurus, etc.

See also:
https://books.google.com/books?id=u_EIAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=Capito&f=false



But sometimes verbs were the source:

edo (verb) Â"I eat, I consume, I devour"

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0060%3Aentry%3Dedo1

edo (noun) "a glutton"

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dedo3

Thus the amphibian name Edops "glutton-face" for its huge mouth.

Maybe somebody thought mordeo as "biter" would be an "insult" name like edo.Â

(Mordeo is also the name of a cannibalistic monster on a gory horror series on Crypt TV...)
https://crypt-tv.fandom.com/wiki/MordeoÂÂ

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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:14 PM Nick Pharris <npharris@umich.edu> wrote:


Argh. Donât they teach even the rudiments of Latin to paleontologists anymore?

If you look up âbiteâ in a Latin dictionary, you will find mordeo.

But you have to understand that mordeo doesnât meat âto biteâ or âbiting,â and certainly not âbiter!â

It means âI biteâ or âI am biting.â

âAnkle biterâ would be something like Talimordex.

Know how to use your Latin dictionary, folks!