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RE: What is big, fluffy, and could tear

Mickey Mortimer wrote:

<It should be noted that Martin (pers. comm., 2004) said the position of 
tyrannosauroids was controversial and it made no difference to him whether they 
were dinosaurs or birds.  Given Feduccia's new book postulating birds evolved 
from a Marasuchus-like ancestor, I could see the MANIACs shifting their 
position to include all coelurosaurs as stem birds.>

  Shifting the 'effing goalposts: the ultimate scientific act we can acclaim. 
Who cares to actually affirm, or even make, a positive argument? merely poke a 
hole (or try) in someone else's, then claim the opposite must be true! I 
mentioned this on my blog in the [ultimate] dissemination of the BAND thesis in 
regards to "filaments are collagen," vis a vis, Theagarten Lingham-soliar's 
arguments:

  
http://qilong.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/canadian-amber-fin-tailed-dinosaurs-and-a-despairing-blogger/

  Of course, TLS _does_ make a positive argument: He proposes the structures 
are actually collagen and in some cases intermixed with algal decomp, but his 
evidence is and will continue to be short-sighted and problematic as long as he 
fails (again and again) to use birds and mammals from Liaoning or similar 
lagerstätten to shore up his case.

  The end result of the "MANIAC" argument is that "dinosaurs" are only just 
"Phytodinosauria," which will only lend credence to Bakker's essentially 
discredited argument, regardles sof how similar the silesaurs, lagosuchids, 
"guaibasaurs" and "eoraptors" are to one another. Some analysis that posits one 
of these AWAY from theropod dinosaurs will just result in them crowing their 
eventual victory.

Cheers,

  Jaime A. Headden
  The Bite Stuff (site v2)
  http://qilong.wordpress.com/

"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)


"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a
different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race
has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or
his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion 
Backs)


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&#62; Date&#58; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14&#58;42&#58;05 -0700&#13;&#10;&#62; From&#58; 
mickey_mortimer111&#64;msn.com&#13;&#10;&#62; To&#58; 
dinosaur&#64;usc.edu&#13;&#10;&#62; Subject&#58; RE&#58; What is big, fluffy, 
and could tear&#13;&#10;&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; It should be noted 
that Martin &#40;pers. comm., 2004&#41; said the position of tyrannosauroids 
was controversial and it made no difference to him whether they were dinosaurs 
or birds. Given Feduccia&#39;s new book postulating birds evolved from a 
Marasuchus-like ancestor, I could see the MANIACs shifting their position to 
include all coelurosaurs as stem birds.&#13;&#10;&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; Mickey 
Mortimer&#13;&#10;&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; Date&#58; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 
16&#58;47&#58;06 -0400&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; From&#58; 
martyniuk&#64;gmail.com&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; To&#58; 
qi_leong&#64;hotmail.com&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; CC&#58; tholtz&#64;umd.edu&#59; 
dinosaur&#64;usc.edu&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; Subject&#58; Re&#58; What is big, 
fluffy, and could tear&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; Yup, 
they&#39;ll say it&#39;s collagen/dorsal fins. Easy. Nothing in the 
paper&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; indicates that there&#39;s clear evidence of 
rachides and barbs &#40;just like&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; most specimens of 
Confuciousornis, but let&#39;s not talk about that&#41;, so&#13;&#10;&#62; 
&#62; they won&#39;t reclassify tyrannosaurs in as non-dinosaurian 
birds.&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; Matt&#13;&#10;&#62; 
&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; 2012/4/4 Jaime Headden 
&#60;qi_leong&#64;hotmail.com&#62;&#58;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; 
&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; Tom Holtz wrote&#58;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; 
&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; &#60;So how are the BANDits going to deal with 
this&#63; Will they call them frauds or collegen fibers, or is Tyrannosauroidea 
now part of birds&#63;&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; 
&#62; I don&#39;t know, Brain, the same things they&#39;ve always 
done&#63;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62;&#13;&#10;&#62;!
 &#62; &#
#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; 2. Claim it&#39;s a giant fin-tailed lizard with 
blubber like padding beneath the skin.&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; 
&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; 3. Has absolutely nothing to do with the 
origin of birds&#33; I mean, it&#39;s clearly a carnosaur &#40;i.e., large 
bodied theropod&#41;, and no one put that close to birds&#33; Why, I once read 
this book, by that one guy who argued that this was so, so it must be 
true&#33;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; 
Cheers,&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; Jaime A. 
Headden&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; The Bite Stuff &#40;site 
v2&#41;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; 
http&#58;//qilong.wordpress.com/&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; 
&#62; &#62; &#34;Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth.&#34; --- P.B. 
Medawar &#40;1969&#41;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; 
&#62;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; &#34;Ever since man first left his cave and 
met a stranger with a&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; different language and a new 
way of looking at things, the human race&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; has had a 
dream&#58; to kill him, so we don&#39;t have to learn his language 
or&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; &#62; his new way of looking at things.&#34; --- Zapp 
Brannigan &#40;Beast With a Billion Backs&#41;&#13;&#10;&#62; &#62; 
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