thanks peeps! i always knew you were the right people to ask! i guess that they would most likely be the same size, as no matter what the droppings are going to dwarf them! pheret -- god@pheret.com 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974 let's start a war on HOMELESSNESS! http://pheret.com 3ffe:bc0:8000::2df5