In a message dated 5/1/01 11:56:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Dinogeorge@aol.com writes: But the articulation of a dromaeosaurid arm and hand prohibits a >grasping< stroke. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you here, George, but what about the grasping posture of the Velocirator in "The Fighting Pair"?: http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/fightingdinos/imagegallery.html# DV