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Re: the definition of Reptilia



Gauthier, Kluge, and Rowe  in "The early evolution of the amniota within The Phylogeny and Classification of the Tetrapods, Vol. 1: ampbhians, reptiles, birds, diagnos Reptilia as amoung other things, having a small supratemporal, a horizontal ventral margin of the postorbital region in the skull, and fusion between the pluerocenturm of the atlas and the intercenturm of the axis.  Within Amniota, this excludes Synapsida, and a group they informally refer to as parareptiles, which there includes, amoung other things, mesosauridae, and procolophonia.  Obviously, this has very little to do with the popoular definition of reptiles, but if one includes some of these parareptiles, plus the reptilia defined in that paper, in ones consideration of reptilia, then your reptilia becomes paraphyletic.  Obnes own definition of reptilia could become polyphyletic if they include of of the parareptiles and the Reptilia in this paper, but not their ancestor.  However its  very important to note that the authors of thepaper felt that parareptiles would turn out to not be a monphyletic group, i beleive this is based on teh consistancy index of the group being 0.33.  So they define Reptilia as being the last commyn ancestor of anapsida and diapsida, plus all its descendants, a nodally defined group.  parareptiles coul be very close to reptiles, or they could be very close to synapsids, but it doesn't matter, because as long as they are between the two they are not part of this node defined Reptilia. 
In the end i suppose, Reptilia has had various definitions, whereas reptiles are a popular, or "vulgar" term.  In my opinion, this vulgar reptile is something that is recognized upon seeing, not as someting that fits into a predefined concept.  For instance, no one will consider rats to be reptiles, but if one were to define this vulgar reptile as being someting posessing scales, then rats with their scaly feet and tail should be incouded.  The echinda would be included if one made it egg laying animals.  I also think most people can understand that birds came from reptiels, but they wouldn't necessarily consider birds to be reptiles, any more than they would consider humans to be amphibians because we had an ancestor that would have been considered an amphibian.
 
 
~R.
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 3:44 AM
Subject: the definition of Reptilia

Have reptiles been formally defined, and if so, what are they?
 
I've heard them referred to as an unnatural group (diapsids excluding dinosaurs), and - of course - as synonymous with "diapsid", but the thing that inspired me to ask was the fact that non-mammal synapsids are referred to as "mammal-like reptiles". So if you include all descendants of the common ancestor of those animals commonly referred to as reptiles, we should be they (so Reptilia = Amniota). Aesthetically, i like this (because the presence of the term "mammal-like reptile", and also: in my little brain "reptile" conjures up the concept "tetrapod adapted to dryness" more strongly than it does "diapsid" (and even more strongly than "outdated paraphyletic group"), but i thought i'd better ask to see how things really are.
 
So has it been formally defined, or is it one of those common words whose appropriateness everybody has a different idea about?


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