Form: Forward Text: (34 lines follow) There was a front page article in the Los Angeles Times this morning about Protoarchaeopteryx and Caudipteryx . Fantastic stuff! I found it interesting there was not one single quote in the piece from any of the anti-birds=dinosaurs crowd (Ruben, Feduccia, Martin, etc.) Maybe at last, they have nothing to say! It's difficult now to imagine how someone could reasonably argue that birds are not theropod descendants. I agree with Greg Paul that Protoarchaeopteryx and Caudipteryx may well have been secondarily flightless; they are both clearly terrestrial critters, but the long arm and tail feathers are consistent with flying ancestors. If not, however, this suggests long arm and tail feathers may have evolved for reasons unrelated to flight (display, egg guarding or something else), and were later exapted for this purpose. I also agree with Greg the bristle-like protofeathers on the body were most likely for insulation in a high-metabolic rate animal. Ectotherms have no need for such structures, and in fact, insulation on an ectotherm would be counterproductive. If Protoarchaopteryx and Caudipteryx were secondarily flightless, this also suggests their aerobic power was within the range of modern birds and mammals, since high aerobic power appears to be needed in order to fly. Witness, for example, the fact that the capacity for high aerobic power production has evolved independently three times (insects, bats and birds), and that no extant species lacking this capacity is volant. ------------------ Guy Leahy 95 Aerospace Medicine Squadron/SGPZ 208 W. Popson Ave., Building 2204 Edwards AFB, CA 93523 (805) 277-8392 Leahyg%AMDS.edw@mhs.elan.af.mil Original text: (54 lines follow) >From mrowe@hippo.cisab.indiana.edu ("Mickey P. Rowe"), on 6/24/98 12:53 PM: To: Leahyg@amds.EDW Listproc just rejected your message (enclosed below) to the dinosaur mailing list because it did not recognize you as a subscriber. I just told listproc that your air force address should be recognized as belonging to your WWU address. I've also taken the liberty of extracting Greg's message from yours (since you don't directly address his message, I -- and several others on the list -- would have considered it a waste of bandwidth for you to include it). In any case, if you want to see your message distributed to the list, please send it again to dinosaur@usc.edu Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience, M ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Subject: re: WHAT I SAW TODAY AT NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC There was a front page article in the Los Angeles Times this morning about Protoarchaeopteryx and Caudipteryx . Fantastic stuff! I found it interesting there was not one single quote in the piece from any of the anti-birds=dinosaurs crowd (Ruben, Feduccia, Martin, etc.) Maybe at last, they have nothing to say! I agree that Protoarchaeopteryx and Caudipteryx may well have been secondarily flightless; they are both clearly terrestrial critters, but the long arm and tail feathers are consistent with flying ancestors. If not, however, this suggests long arm and tail feathers may have evolved for reasons unrelated to flight (display, egg guarding or something else), and were later exapted for this purpose. I also agree the bristle-like protofeathers on the body were most likely for insulation in a high-metabolic rate animal. Ectotherms have no need for such structures, and in fact, insulation on an ectotherm would be counterproductive. If Protoarchaopteryx and Caudipteryx were secondarily flightless, this also suggests their aerobic power was within the range of modern birds and mammals, since high aerobic power appears to be needed in order to fly. Witness, for example, the fact that the capacity for high aerobic power production has evolved independently three times (insects, bats and birds), and that no extant species lacking this capacity is volant. ------------------ Guy Leahy 95 Aerospace Medicine Squadron/SGPZ 208 W. Popson Ave., Building 2204 Edwards AFB, CA 93523 (805) 277-8392 Leahyg%AMDS.edw@mhs.elan.af.mil ------- End of forwarded message ------- Use Proportional Font: true Previous From: mrowe@hippo.cisab.indiana.edu ("Mickey P. Rowe") Previous To: Leahyg@amds.EDW Original to: Leahyg@amds.EDW Forwarded: true Attachment Count: 0
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