Re: T. rex skeletons

[Gertrude Smith <gsraptor@arkansas.net>]

Thanks for adding to the "stats". I should have added  that this
catalogue is a February l996 copy. Your post has been forwarded.

> Darryl wrote:
> 
> At 06:47 PM 17/05/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >This is an abbreviated list provided by the Black Hills Inst. > >of 
> >Geological Research, Inc.


> I think there are some areas of this list that I would dispute.  If the BHI
> gave this to you, you might want to tell them to update this list.
> 
> >No.    SPECIMEN        YEAR    LOCATION        AMT.    EXHIBITOR
> >
> >1.     BM-R7994        1900    Wyoming         13%     British Museum, London
> 
> The dentaries, dorsals, cervicals, and incomplete pelvis and femur probably
> add up to more than 13% (what a strange number to pick anyway).
> 
> >2.     CM-9380         1902    Montana         10%     Carnegie Museum, 
> >Pittsburgh, PA
> 
> This specimen is the one on display at the CMNH.  The listing I have for it
> in "The complete T. rex" says 50%, but I think that is high.  It is partial
> skull, most of the pelvis and hind limbs, right humerus, gastralia, and some
> vertebrae.
> 
> >3.     AMNH-5027       1906    Montana         45%     Amer. Museum of Nat. 
> >Hist., New York, NY
> 
> This is the most famous of the T. rex specimens.  I know that most estimates
> of completeness are at least 60%.
> 
> >4.     LACM-23844      1966    Montana         25%     L.A. County Museum, 
> >Los Angeles, CA
> 
> There is seventy five percent of the skull and at least 30% of the skeleton
> (again, according to Dr. Horner).  For completeness, I have skull (already
> mentioned), cervicals, dorsals, caudals, ribs, gastrailia, shoulder girdle,
> incomplete ischia and femur, fibula, and incomplete metetarsus.  This I got
> from Ralph Molnar's 1991 article.
> 
> >5.     LACM-23845      1966    Montana         12%     L.A. County Museum, 
> >Los Angeles, CA
> >6.     MOR-008         1967    Montana   40% of skull  Museum of the 
> >Rockies, Bozeman, MT
> >7.     SDSM-12047      1980    S. Dakota       25%     S.D. Sch. of Mines& 
> >Tech., Rapid City, SD
> 
> Molnar's numbers are skull + 40% of the skeleton.
> 
> >8.     TMP.81.12.1     1946    Alberta         20%     Royal Tyrrell Museum, 
> >Drumheller, ALB
> 
> Molnar lists this as much of the skeleton, minus the skull.  Dr. Horner
> places it at 30% (hind-limbs, pelvis, and vertebrae from neck to tail).  It
> is the skeleton mounted at the RTMP.
> 
> >9.     TMP.81.6.1      1981    Alberta         25%     Royal Tyrrell Museum, 
> >Drumheller, ALB
> 
> The people I talked to when this toured through my hometown said that the
> latest count was 40%.  Everything I read seems to agree.
> 
> >10.    MOR-009         1981    Montana         15%     Museum of the 
> >Rockies, Bozeman, MT
> >11.    MOR-555 (Wankel)1988    Montana         46%     Museum of the 
> >Rockies, Bozeman, MT
> 
> Everything I have heard places this at 80%+.  I have never seen an estimate
> so low.  It was fairly complete, missing half the tail, one arm, some skull,
> ribs, and pedal elements.
> 
> >12.    BHI-2033 (SUE)  1990    S. Dakota       90%     Sotheby's Auction 
> >House, New York, NY
> >13.    BHI-3033 (Stan) 1992    S. Dakota       65%     Black Hills Museum of 
> >Nat. Hist.,
> Hill City, SD
> 
> The website that is promoting the BHI and stan is now listing this skeleton 
> at 80%+ as well.

COULD YOU ADVISE THE URL OF THIS SITE?


> >14.    DMNH-2827       1992    Colorado         2%     Denver Museum of Nat. 
> >Hist., Denver, CO
> >15.    "Z-rex"         1992    S. Dakota       50% (?) Unknown at this date
> 
> The infamous place that Dr. Holtz listed, and had his nuckles wrapped for
> his indiscretion, lists this as 75% complete.
> 
> >16.    "Bowman"        1993    N. Dakota       10%     Bowman, ND
> >17.    BHI-4100 (Duffy)1993    S. Dakota       30% (?) Black Hills Museum of 
> >Nat.
> Hist., Hill City, SD
> >18.    "Scottie"       1994    Saskatchewan    50% (?) Royal Sask. Museum, 
> >Regina, SASK.
> 
> I spoke recently with someone excavating this skeleton and he told me they
> were now looking at an estimate of 75%.
> 
> >19.    "U. of Wisc."   1994    Montana         10%     Univ. of Wisc. 
> >Geology Museum, Madison, WI
> >20.    "County rex"    1994    S. Dakota       (?)     Harding County, SD
> >21.    "Steven"        1995    S. Dakota       (?)     Harding County, SD
> >
> I wish there was a registry somewhere where this information could be
> stored, for all finds.  It would also be nice to have a defined way of
> estimating completeness.  I think it would solve most of these problems.
> 
> Darryl
> 
Exactly! kel also responded with a list. Any webmeisters out there
willing to help out?

Gertrude Smith

> Darryl
> "the truth is, I don't really care how the dinosaurs died.
> I'm interested in how they lived."  (Dr. John R. Horner,
> from the Complete T.rex, 1993)
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