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Sauropod cervical vertebrae
Ah, the sticky question of sauropod necks. I started on the tail end of
these animals for more than one reason! In sauropods necks come in all
shapes and sizes with a varying number of cervical vertebral counts, from
a low of ~12 to 17(?)+, however it must be pointed out that exact counts
are often difficult due to a) complete cervical columns are pretty rare
and b) telling a dorsal from a cervical vertebra can be _much_ more
difficult than it would seem. The most promising research being done on
cervicals of sauropods is that of Kent Stevens and Mike Parrish, who are
using computer modeling of zygapophysial articulations to determine the
maximum amount of flexion permitted using zygs alone. Their results were
published in the previous 2 supplements to the JVP, with an accompanying
poster in 1995 and a wonderful talk in 1996. I have spent much time with
Kent discussing zygs and their importance. Euhelopus zdanskyi (George
does improper internet spelling of genera and species go on my record?)
had the most mobile neck while diplodocids couldn't get their necks must
past horizontal, however the latter had great ventral flexion which would
seemingly be great for munching in a tripodal position. His
Brachiosaurus model showed that, at best, the zygs allow a 45 degree
angle, much less than its traditional "regal" appearance. BUT it must be
added that the cervical column of Brachiosaurus is not completely known
(at least not with a complete set of articulated neural spines and zygs)
and the cervico-dorsal transition area has been very difficult to work
with. That should all change within the next few years as discoveries in
Wyoming and Colorado (the latter has been laying on the shelf for a
number of years just begging to be published) have shed a whole new light
on these 2 areas of Brachiosaurus. (I almost hate writing sentences like
the previous one...) Until it does I will try to answer Wayne Anderson's
very fine questions in numerical order:
1. Czerkas' claims seem to be somewhat born out for some taxa
2. Other taxa (notably Euhelopus) could move their neck around so people
have not necessarily "missed the boat"
3. Any hotly raging debate regarding sauropod cervical vertebrae will
have to leave me out until I have finished looking at all of the
cervicals in the US (almost there, thankfully) and then abroad. Until
then I can offer up only what I can put your hands on.
4. As I mentioned in the "preamble" some taxa seemingly could, others
could not.
5. I cannot speak for other paleontologists and their opinions of the
Czerkas research, but for myself I critically evaluate his work as I
would any others, and as I hope they will mine. The fact that he does
not have a PhD means nothing to me, its what he puts to pen that I can
then go out and test that matters. Others may disagree but I believe the
publishing of ones ideas is rather frightening (and exhiliarting), as you
are putting yourself "on the line". I commend any who go through the
often mindless tasks involved in publications (checking the format of the
bibliography, all the same tense in a paragraph, captions all match the
text, etc...) to put their ideas to print. It is easy to simply
"arm-wave" but when the words are written for all to see its hard to say,
"well what I meant to say..."
ok, off my soapbox and onto sauropods and Nick Longrich.
I will have to check about Apatosaurus yahnapin and its upward
bend at the base. Any chance you can give me the citation? I do not
recall seeing it (the cervical character) in the Wyoming volume of last
year, but I do know he has quite a bit of the beast. You wrote
"Brachiosaurs have an upward inclination to the spine, an upward bend at
the bsae of the neck, and a nearly 90 degree angle between head and
spine" then cited some semicircular canal work. Any chance I can get the
canal reference? As for the upward inclination of the spine, I am not
clear as to what you are referring to, if you want feel free to answer
off line if it gets technical (that is unless the rest of you want to
hear such "stodgy" info...). I must admit I have never really thought
about the skull's angle off the atlas/axis (though with only 1 skull of
Diplodocus in positive articulation that makes for a pretty low sample
size). It is a really clever thought that I will explore further.
Lastly, Nathan Myhrvold wrote about the Mamenchisaurus ossified
tendons and spoke of Alexander's work. I have one burning question in my
mind when I think of cranial dorsals: WHY THE BLASTED BIFURCATION AND
WHAT RAN DOWN THE TROUGH???? This question was asked at my thesis
defense and absolutely frustrated me. Why? Well the medial borders of
the bifurcate spines are SMOOTH! Not rugose at all! The only rugosity
in the neural spine region is at the base of the cleft. I have spoken to
a number of folks and none have given me a good answer as to what ran
down the center. Notice that humans have bifurcate cervical vertebrae
(! you can imagine my surprise when I dissected those babies out!)
Nothing ran down their center (as weird as that sounds). No one here in
the anatomy department has any ideas they are willing to stand by, just
guesswork. One of the problems: The bifurcation is deep and then fuses
caudally, with the notch disappearing in the last dorsal of Diplodocus,
but much more cranial in Apatosaurus (around number dorsal 6). This is
the bifurcate spine character I have seen George allude to in older
posts, and it is one of the stickiest by far! I am desperately seeking a
functional answer to this question. Brooks Britt argues they were filled
with pneumatic cavities (hinted at in Britt (1993) and much personal
communication (like at my defense, since he asked the question). Some of
these dorsal bifurcations are ridiculously deep (look at Janensch's (35/36?)
Dicraeosaurus and Amargasaurus cazuai from South America (the reference
escapes me at the moment though if needed I can provide), these spines
are exceedingly tall and fragile. I talked my way through the question
(it helps to know your committee members likes and dislikes) but have
never arrived at a satisfactory conclusion.
Regarding the heart dynamics and all of that physiology, I have
absolutely no clue, I'll let the physiologists (or more probably take
physiology) to figure it out...
I love this forum atmosphere, I can throw things out that are on
my mind!!!
BC