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RE: Apatodon in the Bone Wars
Thank you everyone! That was exactly what I needed. Apatodon is interesting
because after 1890, basically all of its proposed relationships are ultimately
based on a misunderstanding of one person's classification notation. I'll be
blogging on that soon. Since it's lost, these early 1800s references are the
only real information we have.
Speaking of which, if anyone knows of a rumored paper from around 1900 that
says Marsh confused a mammal/pig jaw with an Allosaurus neural spine, that
would be the Holy Grail so to speak. So far the only original references to
Apatodon I've found are Baur (1890) and now this Meyer (1890) newspaper
article, both of which merely say it was dinosaurian, not specifically
Allosaurus (Olshevsky listed it as being the latter in 1991 though). Thanks as
always!
Mickey Mortimer
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> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:00:43 -0800
> From: bcreisler@gmail.com
> To: VRTPALEO@usc.edu; dinosaur@usc.edu
> Subject: Re: Apatodon in the Bone Wars
>
> Ben Creisler
> bcreisler@gmail.com
>
>
> Many thanks! I found one of the them on a quick search earlier but
> didn't have time to download and check to find the other page. So for
> people whose internet connection is not that great (my situation sort
> of) and can't get the pages to open online, the pdfs to download with
> a right click would be:
>
>
> http://fultonhistory.com/my%20photo%20albums/All%20Newspapers/New%20York%20NY%20Herald/New%20York%20NY%20Herald%201890/index2.html
>
> Meyer's letter:
>
> New York NY Herald 1890 - 0446
>
>
>
> Snarky editorial comment:
>
> New York NY Herald 1890 - 0459
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Mary Kirkaldy <mkirkaldy@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If no one has replied yet, the articles are in pdfs 446 and 459.
>> "Some More Nuts for Marsh to Crack" and "The War of the Professors".
>>
>> http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%2014/New%20York%20NY%20Herald/New%20York%20NY%20Herald%201890/New%20York%20NY%20Herald%201890%20-%200446.pdf
>>
>> http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%2014/New
ork%20NY%20Herald%201890/New%20York%20NY%20Herald%201890%20-%200459.pdf
>>
>> Mary Kirkaldy
>> --
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ben Creisler
>>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you happen to know the exact page number in the January 26, 1890
>>> issue Meyer's letter appeared on?.
>>>
>>> There is a pdf archive of the New York Herald on line by individual
>>> page, but it's a nightmare to try to navigate. I also found that the
>>> pages won't display online, but I can download a single page by
>>> right-clicking and using "save as". The January 26, 1890 issue starts
>>> at New York NY Herald 1890 - 0421 and then goes page by page. Oddly,
>>> the issue starts with advertising, not news content.
>>>
>>>
>>> The main folder for 1890 can be found here
>>>
>>> http://fultonhistory.com/my%20photo%20albums/All%20Newspapers/New%20York%20NY%20Herald/New%20York%20NY%20Herald%201890/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> If someone has the exact page number for the letter I may be able to
>>> get the link.
>>>
>>> The rest of the letters for the Marsh-Cope feud are somewhere in the
>>> 1890 archive as well, but without exact page numbers and a little
>>> math, it's a real mess.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Brinkman, Daniel
>>> <daniel.brinkman@yale.edu> wrote:
>>>> Hi Mickey et al,
>>>>
>>>> It was Otto Meyer's January 26, 1890 letter to the New York Herald, which
>>>> turned out to be the paper's final story about the fossil feud.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> Daniel L. Brinkman
>>>> Museum Assistant II
>>>> Division of Vertebrate Paleontology
>>>> Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History
>>>> 170 Whitney Avenue
>>>> P.O. Box 208118
>>>> New Haven, CT 06520-8118
>>>> E-mail: daniel.brinkman@yale.edu
>>>> Telephone: (203) 432-3760
>>>> Fax: (203) 432-9816
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-VRTPALEO@usc.edu [mailto:owner-VRTPALEO@usc.edu] On Behalf Of
>>>> Mickey Mortimer
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 6:34 PM
>>>> To: dinosaur@usc.edu; "vrtpaleo@usc.edu"@listpr
>>>> Subject: Apatodon in the Bone Wars
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone. I've hit a roadblock researching Apatodon and was hoping
>>>> someone could help. We all know Baur (1890) said he looked at the supposed
>>>> mammal-like jaw of Apatodon and determined it was part of a dinosaur
>>>> vertebra. But there's another similar story in Shor's 1974 book "The
>>>> fossil feud between E. D. Cope and O. C. Marsh". According to Google
>>>> Books' preview, on page 213, it's written-
>>>>
>>>> "Professor Marsh has published in the American Journal of Science,
>>>> September, 1877, the description of a very remarkable new mammal, Apatodon
>>>> mirus. I have seen the type specimen, and consider it, in the same way as
>>>> other assistants of Professor Marsh do, not as the jaw of a mammal, but as
>>>> a piece of a vertebrae [sic] of a Dinosaur. Professor Marsh is apparently
>>>> of the same opinion, for in his "list of genera," printed as manuscript,
>>>> Apatodon is enumerated as Dinosaur. The question is only Why has Professor
>>>> Marsh not published corrections to his previous statements? and has he
>>>> recognized himself the true nature of the fossil, or has it been pointed
>>>> out to him? One of his assistants has made to me, and in..."
>>>>
>>>> ... after an account of Marsh hiding Laopteryx from this person because
>>>> they realized it wasn't a bird. But because of Google Books' limited
>>>> preview function, I can't determine who wrote this or what document it's
>>>> quoting. I suspect it might be Otto Meyer, but would appreciate it if
>>>> anyone had the book and could check. Thanks for any help.
>>>>
>>>> Mickey Mortimer
>>>>
>>>> Reference- Shor, 1974. The fossil feud between E. D. Cope and O. C. Marsh.
>>>> Exposition Press. 340 pp.
>>>>